Think about having the ability to create a model technique that rivals these of trade giants, no matter your corporation dimension or funds.
In the present day, we’re diving into the world of AI-powered branding, the place cutting-edge expertise is leveling the enjoying discipline and enabling companies of all sizes to craft compelling, professional-level model messaging. Whether or not you’re a solo entrepreneur, a small enterprise proprietor, or a part of a advertising crew, this episode will reveal how one can harness AI to raise your model, join extra deeply together with your viewers, and compete successfully in at this time’s crowded market.
Becoming a member of us to unpack this game-changing method is Ruheene Jaura, a real innovator on the intersection of creativity and expertise. With 16 years of expertise in visible results for giants like Cirque du Soleil and Marvel, Ruheene has seamlessly transitioned into AI-powered advertising. Because the founding father of heyLevi.ai, she’s revolutionizing model technique improvement. Licensed in digital advertising and rising applied sciences, Ruheene brings a novel mix of inventive imaginative and prescient and technical experience to assist companies remodel their branding by means of AI.
AI in Advertising and marketing: Unpacked host Mike Allton requested Ruheene Jaura about:
✨ AI Democratizes Branding: AI instruments are leveling the enjoying discipline, permitting companies of all sizes to entry professional-level branding methods.
✨ Effectivity Meets Creativity: AI streamlines the branding course of, liberating up time for human creativity to give attention to strategic decision-making.
✨ Adaptability is Key: As AI continues to evolve, companies should keep adaptable and leverage these instruments to stay aggressive of their branding efforts.
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Redefining Model Technique: AI Instruments for Companies of All Sizes with Ruheene Jaura
[00:00:00] Ruheene Jaura: I truly assume that AI is right here to not exchange human creativity. I actually assume it’s right here to assist us be higher and be extra inventive as a result of while you’re developing with something inventive, proper, whether or not you’re writing content material for your corporation otherwise you’re making an attempt to put in writing a enterprise proposal, no matter it’s that you just’re doing, there’s a, there’s a, it’s a combination, proper?
It’s a mixture of analysis and understanding greatest practices, understanding your corporation’s positioning, what makes you particular, and there’s the inventive a part of it. Which is the way you write all of that, the way you convey and talk all of that. However while you deal with it in a manner the place it does 60 to 80 % of the be just right for you, and then you definitely are available in together with your creativity, your particular sauce, if you’ll, and add that to no matter AI is providing you with, that’s actually the half that, that makes the magic.
[00:00:46] Mike Allton: Welcome to AI in Advertising and marketing: Unpacked, the place we simplify AI for impactful advertising. I’m your host, Mike Allton right here to information you thru the world of synthetic intelligence and its transformative impression on advertising methods. Every episode, we’ll break down AI ideas into manageable insights and discover sensible purposes that may supercharge your advertising efforts.
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Greetings program. Welcome again to AI in Advertising and marketing: Unpacked the place I selfishly use the time to select the brains of specialists, maintaining with and integrating or layering synthetic intelligence into social media, content material, promoting, search, and different areas, extra advertising, and also you get to be taught to subscribe to be proven find out how to put together your self and your model for this AI revolution and are available on forward now, think about.
Having the ability to create a model technique that rivals these of trade giants, no matter your corporation dimension or funds at this time, we’re diving into the world of AI powered branding. We’re leading edge expertise is leveling the enjoying discipline and enabling companies of all sizes to craft compelling, progressive, and progressive.
Skilled stage model messaging, whether or not you’re a photo voltaic entrepreneur, small enterprise proprietor, or a part of a advertising crew, this episode will reveal how one can harness AI to raise your model, join extra deeply together with your viewers and compete successfully in at this time’s crowded market.
Becoming a member of us to unpack this recreation altering method is Ruheene Jaura a real innovator on the intersection of creativity and expertise. With 16 years of expertise in visible results for giants like Cirque Soleil and Marvel, Ruheene has seamlessly transitioned into AI powered advertising. Because the founding father of heyLevi.ai, she’s revolutionizing model technique improvement. Licensed in digital advertising and rising applied sciences. Ruheene brings a novel mix of inventive imaginative and prescient and technical experience to assist companies remodel their branding by means of AI.
Hey, Ruheene, welcome to the present.
[00:02:48] Ruheene Jaura: Hey, Mike. Thanks a lot for having me. I’m actually excited to be right here.
[00:02:51] Mike Allton: So glad to have you ever. Let’s begin in the event you may by simply form of strolling us by means of your journey from visible results, which is tremendous cool, by the best way, to AI powered advertising.
How did that distinctive background affect your method to branding?
[00:03:05] Ruheene Jaura: You realize, it’s all about storytelling. I believe everyone knows that whether or not we’re entrepreneurs or not, all of us have a private story. And after we turn into enterprise homeowners and begin advertising what our provides. It’s actually all about now our buyer’s story and the way our services and products slot in with their story So it’s actually on the finish of the day all about storytelling And in the event you’re not telling a narrative together with your services and products Then you definately’re lacking out on an enormous market as a result of that’s actually what folks need to see is a narrative and so they need to see themselves in that story.
So truly even earlier than visible results and Marvel I used to be, I used to be doing structure. So I went to undergrad for structure and it actually, the entire storytelling factor, consider it or not, began with structure as a result of I noticed that while you’re designing issues areas, bodily areas for folks. It’s all concerning the tales which are going to be lived and skilled in these areas. And so my mind simply mechanically began considering when it comes to tales proper from my structure days. After which once I went into visible results and I began working with with, you realize, corporations like Marvel Avengers and all the larger larger productions.
I actually began to see that come to life. I imply, although, you realize, we went from bodily areas to now Marvel films, that are two completely various things. The one fixed that that stayed the identical is the truth that folks can see themselves in that story. So when someone likes an architectural house or a house, for instance, while you’re trying to purchase a house, it’s actually while you’re strolling by means of the house, you consider the way you’re going to create tales in every house in every a part of the house.
And that’s what involves life in your mind. And also you determine whether or not you need to dwell there or not, whether or not you need to purchase the house or not. And once more, while you’re watching a film, you you ask your self whether or not it’s a superhero film or a documentary. It’s actually about, do you see one thing about your self in that story that makes you need to watch it by means of the top or not?
So I don’t know if that answered the query or, or if you wish to, yeah.
[00:05:09] Mike Allton: Effectively, yeah. So, so, so take it additional than that. So the following step is you began to delve into AI. Yeah. I used delve in individual on function, however inform me how you bought into AI.
[00:05:20] Ruheene Jaura: So after engaged on visible results I actually began to get in that’s once I began moving into advertising as a result of whereas I used to be doing visible results and in between initiatives I began engaged on You realize, advertising spots for corporations like Apple, Motorola, Radio Shack again within the day Amazon. So I used to be on numerous their product launches as a part of the advertising crew.
And that’s how I received into advertising. And once more, the storytelling half is simply stayed by means of these, these years. However AI, you realize, when, I’ve all the time used AI instruments. I’m all the time in search of instruments, whether or not they’re AI or not, to assist make my work simpler, assist me be extra environment friendly. And so when OpenAI got here up with their API and made AI so accessible to everybody, I made a decision at that time to take all the frameworks and the learnings that I had by means of my 16 years of labor expertise in movie and in advertising and actually mix these into a straightforward to make use of software utilizing AI that will assist put that 16 years of expertise into enterprise homeowners and entrepreneurs fingers that possibly don’t have that form of expertise and are in search of a little bit little bit of assist.
[00:06:30] Mike Allton: Love that. I imply, because the Chief Storyteller at Agorapulse, most of you listening, know that’s, that’s the place I name residence for my full time job. I actually simply spent the afternoon at this time earlier than becoming a member of you, Ruheene, on this recording, crafting our Agorapulse model story and our storytelling tips, as a result of there’s so many individuals within the group which are a part of the storytelling strategy of our model.
It’s not simply entrepreneurs, it’s gross sales crew members, it’s not simply. buyer assist crew members, it’s engineers as a result of to your level, proper? They’re crafting a product that our buyer tales are going to be informed inside that product. And so I used to be spending numerous time considering by means of what ought to our story tips be a storytelling tips and what makes for story.
And all through that whole course of, hand in hand, AI to assist me flip that right into a narrative and method that the remainder of our crew may use. However I need to focus for a second on among the small companies that you just’ve been working with from that advertising perspective, from that model perspective, what do you see among the greatest challenges are that they’re going through, significantly on the subject of constructing and creating their very own model technique?
[00:07:40] Ruheene Jaura: I believe the most important downside is that almost all entrepreneurs newer entrepreneurs and small enterprise homeowners who’re making an attempt to market themselves due to a low funds they’re actually, they’re struggling to grasp find out how to develop their enterprise from only a enterprise right into a model. And so numerous people will assume after they consider branding, they consider colours and fonts and, you realize, all of the issues that make their, their pages, their internet pages and their social media posts fairly.
However I believe there are only a few individuals who truly perceive {that a} model is a lot greater than that. Sure, the colours and the fonts feed into it, nevertheless it’s actually the, Why they feed into it, proper? So the explanation these colours and fonts are essential are due to the emotion and the expertise that you just’re invoking in your viewers.
And so what’s it that they’re feeling after they come throughout your model? And so whether or not you, you realize, whether or not it’s intentional or not, whether or not you’ve constructed a model deliberately or not, you will have a model, proper? And when it’s not intentional and all you’re specializing in are the gorgeous stuff, the colours and the fonts you could be lacking the general expertise that your viewers is having together with your model. So it’s actually about once more again to storytelling, proper? So what’s their story and the way do you slot in with that story? so I all the time say that it’s the model narrative is admittedly your buyer’s narrative And the way you slot in because the professional in that story and that’s the way you place your self.
So I all the time discuss how branding goes hand in hand with positioning. It’s the way you’re positioning your self out there and the way you’re becoming in together with your prospects narrative.
[00:09:14] Mike Allton: I’m so glad you introduced up the Why, as a result of that’s so important. That’s why I used to be speaking a few second in the past, how I spent all the afternoon creating the Agorapulse model story, as a result of that’s our Why.
Why can we do what we do and why can we do how we do it? In different phrases, you realize, we’re doing issues a sure manner. Why are we doing it that manner? Proper. We’re serving to our prospects with social media. Yeah. Let’s imagine why we’re doing that, however the best way that we assist prospects with their social media administration is totally different from different folks.
And there’s a motive for that. There’s a why behind that. And we needed to be sure that that was articulated in a manner that everyone within the group would know, after which be capable to infuse into every little thing that they’re doing. So while you’re speaking to prospects, small companies, medium sized companies, whomever, and so they’re making an attempt to determine.
You realize, their model technique, their model story. How do you see AI expertise coming in to assist them with these sorts of challenges and form of virtually democratizing that entry to skilled stage branding?
[00:10:17] Ruheene Jaura: Yeah. So this once more goes again to my days engaged on the product launches that I discussed earlier specifically Apple and Amazon.
And I really like telling the story However, you realize, there’s a lot to be realized from the best way Apple positions itself and its merchandise and the best way Amazon does it. And we each know they’re each wonderful corporations. They’ve each performed so effectively for themselves, however everyone knows that Apple has constructed this like loopy fan following, proper?
And it’s all as a result of they’re all about model led advertising. We’ve all heard of product led advertising, however I don’t assume sufficient people are speaking about model led advertising. So the best way Apple has been capable of create this model. Now, Amazon has a model and so they have a really robust model for positive. However in the event you have a look at Amazon’s launches, every of their product launches have been very product led and there’s numerous power in that, however actually, it comes right down to model loyalty. Proper? And the explanation I say that’s as a result of somebody like Apple, everyone knows that they’ve launched merchandise over time. A few of them have been wonderful. And a few of them have been Proper.
Like I’m an Apple fan, so don’t, don’t come at me for saying that, however I take advantage of numerous Apple merchandise. However let’s be trustworthy. Like in the event you evaluate what Apple has launched over time, particularly after Steve Jobs was gone what they’ve launched over time has been. Fairly crappy in comparison with among the Android stuff that’s been popping out in parallel, proper?
The Android merchandise and the Samsung merchandise that come out, in the event you’re actually speaking about expertise and futuristic, you realize options, the Samsung merchandise even have higher options and extra person pleasant options than Apple has, has had over the previous few years, however the motive why individuals who use Apple, together with me, is not going to transfer away to a different product which may be higher or superior is as a result of we’ve got model loyalty.
And in order that comes with numerous forgiveness when there are product launches that possibly aren’t so nice. Alternatively, when Amazon launches merchandise, it’s on a product foundation, proper? In the event that they launch a product that sucks, no person’s going to purchase it. Not like Apple, after they launch a product that sucks, their fanboys are nonetheless going to purchase it.
Fanboys and fangirls. And all of it comes down to essentially understanding the way you’re advertising your self. When you’re advertising simply your services and products, once more, you’re on the threat of, sure, when you’ve got a robust services or products, that’s going to be nice. It’s going to work out nice so long as you’re doing the precise factor product led advertising method, however on the core of it, you actually need to take into consideration find out how to construct a robust model, as a result of in the event you launch a number of provides or services or products over time simply know that in the event you’ve constructed a robust model on the core of it you will have numerous forgiveness and people launches after they don’t go so effectively.
So all that being mentioned, now we’re speaking about Apple and Amazon and never all of us have the sorts of budgets that they’ve, proper. To construct that robust model. And so. That’s the place AI is available in, as a result of while you feed the precise context and frameworks into AI, now AI is aware of find out how to model, find out how to form of mimic a few of these extra standard manufacturers, like Apple, Nike, Lululemon, in the event you’ve heard of that.
So these sorts of manufacturers, even after they don’t have the most effective product, Nike has all the time had product, I believe. However like Lululemon, in the event you’re, in the event you’re conversant in that, that’s like a clothes model, proper? Their high quality sucks. However Right here I’m sitting in all lululemon as a result of that’s what I once more, it’s a model factor.
And, and I pay prime greenback for it, however once more, it’s the entire model. And I’m positive we’ve got viewers proper now. And my husband is considered one of them. Who’s all the time like, why do you pay a lot cash for a model? That’s silly. Purchase a greater high quality product. That’s truly going to final you longer. And, and yeah so as to add context to that. He’s an Android person. However you see the place what I’m saying as a enterprise, no matter whether or not you agree with that method or not, you’re setting your self up for fulfillment in the long term. When you’re coming from a model led method. Now to your query of, you realize, how does A. I assist form of democratize that method?
Beforehand You needed to have a giant advertising crew otherwise you needed to spend fairly a bit of cash simply to give you a robust model. Now what I imply by a robust model is once more, not simply the colours and the fonts. These are undoubtedly a part of it, however actually your model narrative, the way you’re positioning your model out there the way you’re connecting together with your ultimate prospects. All of that feeds into your model.
And so while you consider it extra holistically like that, and also you ask for AI’s assist in serving to you create that model, after which from there, every bit of content material that you just create. So we had been speaking about social media, however actually it’s whether or not it’s social media or a video script for YouTube or a weblog put up or a gross sales web page, when every little thing feeds off of that core model, like Apple does, you begin to see that It form of varieties this expertise to your customers that they are going to hold wanting to come back again to as a result of they know what to anticipate, even when a services or products isn’t the most effective one on the market isn’t the most effective in the marketplace, they nonetheless need to keep together with your model ecosphere due to that model loyalty.
[00:15:11] Mike Allton: Okay. Initially, you’ve simply given us a masterclass on, on advertising technique. People return and re hearken to this previous phase a pair extra instances and actually take into consideration what Ruheene simply mentioned, as a result of every little thing you mentioned is totally appropriate. And I’ll ask you listeners, indulge me for a second, take into consideration Apple and give you some adjectives that describe Apple as a model in your thoughts, and do this for 30 seconds, after which strive to do this for Amazon.
And I believe you’ll wrestle. I believe you’ll wrestle fairly a bit to give you any actually fascinating adjectives, you realize, apart from possibly two day supply. We don’t even know if that’s an adjective, proper? There’s issues that you may affiliate with that model, however not adjectives concerning the model. And that’s the distinction between model led.
And, and to your level, like I’ve already referenced a few instances, I spent hours this afternoon engaged on the Agorapulse model story and storytelling tips. And this was truly simply the fruits of most likely a 3 month mission. I took on the position in, in the summertime of this yr. And that’s been one of many issues I wanted to do as a result of we didn’t have an recognized or documented model story.
We had, to your level, model voice tips. Shade emblem, some bit about how we talk, proper? However nothing actually in depth documented. And so I needed to undergo a complete strategy of defining, you realize, what’s a model story? What frameworks are we going to make use of? Trigger there’s numerous choices, you realize, to give you, you realize, there’s, there’s story model, there’s Tamsin Webster’s crimson thread, which is finally what we ended up utilizing.
And there’s fairly just a few others. That was one thing that actually I used to be paid full time. As an train to assume by means of that primarily based on my decade plus of promoting expertise. And to your level, now AI comes alongside and simplifies this and it might not essentially be, you realize, McKinsey and firm stage consulting high quality, nevertheless it’s nice.
It’s actually, actually good. No matter AI goes to give you and the extra you’re capable of put into it, the extra you’re going to have the ability to get out. And I’d prefer to form of go on a little bit tangent right here for a second, as a result of I do know numerous what we’re speaking about is what your software does for people. And I’d love so that you can share a little bit bit extra about what heyLevi does and the way that works for manufacturers.
[00:17:29] Ruheene Jaura: Yeah. SheyLevivi truly does numerous what we had been speaking about. And simply earlier than I neglect, Mike, one factor that you just simply touched upon is the model voice, proper? And even that’s extra than simply fonts and colours. It’s actually concerning the tone of voice, like your writing type, your type, the vitality you will have in your writing and in your content material that additionally must say cohesive. That’s additionally part of your model. And so numerous that’s what heyLevi does, proper? It acknowledges and it tries to grasp your distinctive model voice and your model narrative, your buyer avatars each on a model stage after which on a product and repair stage, proper?
That are extra dialed in. And Yeah. Understands that not simply when it comes to like while you when you consider buyer avatars, proper? Like inform me, truly, Mike, I’m going to place this query on you. What do you consider while you consider buyer avatars? Like what do you anticipate to see on a buyer avatar card?
[00:18:18] Mike Allton: I’m in search of titles. I’m in search of demographics for my graphics. I’m in search of an understanding of who inside a selected group and what that group seems like. The model, whether or not it’s my very own or someone I’m working with. They’re making an attempt to focus on, proper? So what verticals, you realize, how large an organization, what sort of firm and who inside that firm, after which past that, that firmographic data, comparable to, you realize, what do they need, what are they in search of, what are they making an attempt to perform, the place are they struggling, you realize, what challenges are they going through that the model might or might not have enter in an answer for
[00:18:53] Ruheene Jaura: Nice.
So to summarize that, would you say that you just’re actually fascinated with demographics and ache factors, however what about resolution making drivers? What about their interior beliefs, their interior philosophical beliefs and their interior, like, tales that they’re telling themselves, their interior dialogue that they’re speaking about inside their heads.
How are we tapping into that?
[00:19:18] Mike Allton: Yeah, and that’s the form of factor that I’d say is often lacking from, you realize, if a enterprise has a persona or an ICP in any respect. They most likely don’t have that.
[00:19:28] Ruheene Jaura: Precisely. Yeah. And in order that’s the hole that we work on, on filling. So we show you how to go like actually, actually deep into your buyer avatars, proper?
So not simply demographics and ache factors. These are nice. And people are essential. Don’t get me improper. Completely essential. However until you’re additionally understanding who they’re on a deeper stage, what their philosophical beliefs are, what their social desires and wishes are how they assume emotionally, we’re all emotional beings.
And I believe we’ve all heard this, proper? We’re all emotional beings. And you realize, while you promote, you need to promote to the emotional a part of a human being, however that’s the place all the demographics and ache factors fall brief since you’re not truly addressing their emotional wants. So while you begin to consider your buyer avatars as like holistic human beings which have flaws similar to we do, which have emotional wants that normally trump our logical and needs and wishes, what we expect we would like is normally not what we would like.
Once we go right into a retailer to purchase one thing, why is it that 9 instances out of 10, we normally purchase one thing else? We don’t purchase what we walked in there for, proper? Whether or not we truly purchase the factor that we walked in for, However a special type that we had in thoughts or a very totally different factor. Or that factor plus 5 different issues.
Like there’s a motive why we do this, proper? We inform ourselves we’re solely going to spend this a lot. This isn’t my funds at this time. After which we go and persuade ourselves that no, that is actually going to alter my life for me. And so I’m additionally going to buy this. So all of that comes right down to if you’re, you realize, in the event you’ve ever discovered your self making an attempt to supply a reduction as a way to shut a sale.
And I’m not speaking about seasonal reductions, proper? These are nice. However I’m speaking about in the event you’ve ever been on a gross sales name and someone has been like, Oh, however I can do, I can get the identical factor someplace else for like 100 {dollars}. a cheaper price and you’re feeling such as you really feel the necessity to worth match as a way to shut that sale.
That simply signifies that you haven’t actually understood their desires and wishes on that emotional foundation, proper? As a result of all of us are keen to pay extra money, although we don’t prefer to admit it. All of us are keen to pay extra money for one thing that we emotionally consider will give us extra satisfaction than we are going to spend on one thing that we all know is a necessity.
And that’s going to resolve a ache level for us, if that is smart.
[00:21:42] Mike Allton: It makes full sense as a result of it’s 100% true. I don’t know if these of you listening know sufficient about my historical past. I used to promote swimming swimming pools and scorching tubs, and this was a very long time in the past. That is about 10 years in the past, however I used to promote swimming swimming pools in Northern Ohio.
And the factor is, folks wouldn’t are available in to, our warehouse to purchase a pool, they weren’t really within the width of the pool wall or how excessive it was or what number of horsepower went into the filtration system. They had been shopping for a yard expertise, and if it was a household, proper, they had been additionally shopping for issues like security for his or her Kids, you realize.
You realize, with the ability to have experiences at residence, fairly than having to waste time, taking them to other forms of swimming pools, proper? There have been all these values that went into the play. And the second I understood that and was capable of replicate that and talk that in my verbal, you realize, gross sales that was the second I grew to become the primary salesperson in all the group, proper?
As a result of then I’m speaking to those prospects about what they actually need to accomplish and never losing time speaking about minutiae, like, you realize, That don’t actually matter, proper? It’s, it’s, it’s options versus advantages in numerous methods. In order that’s wonderful. And let me be sure that myself and everyone listening understands accurately.
So with heyLevi, there’s, I’m assuming some form of a course of the place I feed it details about my enterprise and that it helps me to develop this actually thorough goal persona. Is that proper?
[00:23:15] Ruheene Jaura: Sure. And so that you begin, the entire app is once more, centered round your distinctive model. So that you inform it 4 items of knowledge that are, what do you do to your viewers?
What do you stand towards? So actually like what, you realize, you all the time need to juxtapose, haven’t used that phrase in like years. I really feel like, uh, you need to actually evaluate what you do versus what you stand towards. What are you actually good at versus what your opponents are doing, proper? And so it’s actually understanding that.
What do you do? What do you stand towards? What do you do this no person else is doing? And what’s that core factor that folks that, that you just do this they’re not going to get anyplace else. So as soon as you’ll be able to reply these questions clearly, I imply, that’s the half that we’re counting on you to really learn about your corporation and most of us do.
Proper. It’s, it’s placing these into phrases and really pulling that into all of our content material that we come across. However so long as you can provide the AI these items of knowledge, it should create a complete model narrative for you. So it should determine who your model buyer avatar is. Once more, this isn’t as dialed in as your product stage, as a result of we’re not at a gross sales stage but, proper?
So your merchandise and provides, consider these as issues that you just’re going to promote. So your model is just not one thing you’re promoting. That’s the expertise that we’re constructing, proper? That’s the core of who we’re. So at that stage, your buyer avatar is that this broader buyer avatar. We’re nonetheless speaking about there, we’re not speaking about resolution making drivers as a result of we’re not making an attempt to get them to buy something simply but. However we are attempting to grasp them when it comes to social, emotional, and philosophical beings, even on the model stage. So what it does for you is it helps you determine that it helps you determine what their story is Together with ache factors, however actually what their general story is and the way you as a model would place your self in that story. The place do you are available in because the professional?
And the way you’re going to make them success or that final aim that they’re in search of. Now everyone knows story all the time comes with the concern of what might occur if issues don’t go as deliberate. So that every one, that’s additionally one thing you all the time need to embrace in your model narrative. You realize, if, in the event you work with us, for instance, that is the journey that can lead you thru, however in the event you don’t take motion at this time, that is what might be in danger.
So it helps you dial in all of that and your, your colours and your fonts and all of that as effectively. So it helps you construct all of that. That then will get saved as your model messaging playbook in your heyLevi account. So that you all the time have that to reference everytime you’re creating any, any piece of content material from there.
Relating to gross sales, now you’ll create a extra detailed product stage. Which once more applies as to if you’re promoting a services or products. It’s actually your provide. We’re simply utilizing product a little bit loosely. Nevertheless it’s actually any provide that you just provide. It’s about what makes you totally different, the way you evaluate together with your opponents, how your prospects are perceiving that worth distinction between what you provide them versus your opponents.
And in the event you’re listening carefully to this, you could be Begin to see how this will additionally assist your gross sales calls or gross sales conversations. As a result of while you’re making an attempt to have that gross sales dialog, while you’re on a gross sales name and someone says, effectively, so and so is giving me the identical factor for like half the value.
One factor to notice is that they’re there with you for a motive. So simply because they’re saying that’s not a clue so that you can decrease your worth or worth match. However so long as you’re clear about what that in comparison with provides and the way you’re That’s the time while you need to current that data. And while you do this, you’re serving to that buyer see themselves in your story and vice versa, proper?
That you just’re additionally serving to them see how you’ll match into their story. After which worth doesn’t matter.
[00:26:54] Mike Allton: I adore it. And you realize, I really like that you just’re working in, you realize, NLP triggers like, effectively, what occurs in the event you don’t? That’s implausible people. We’re speaking with Ruheene about constructing terrific model technique and documentation and placing that into place utilizing AI.
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So simply to attract a distinction between what you guys simply heard. Magai, the software that I’m utilizing on a regular basis and heyLevi, with Magai, you’re, you’re taking a look at a wrapper for the opposite massive language fashions. It’s a clean canvas on which you’ll speak forwards and backwards with them.
And that type of factor, as a way to create a advertising technique or a model technique or model story, you’d should know what you’re doing. You continue to have to have the ability to ask the precise questions and consider the responses and work with it forwards and backwards. So I used Magai and Claude to develop, you realize, numerous Agorapulse’s documentation for his or her storytelling tips and so forth.
However I knew what I used to be doing. I used to be conscious of Tamsen Webster’s crimson thread framework sufficient to Discuss to the AI about that and say, Hey, look, I’d like to check story model with the crimson thread and see what are the variations between these two frameworks. I do know I need to use a hero’s journey method with most of our storytelling, however I need to have a look at another choices, proper?
All that data was already baked into my head with hey Levi, you don’t must know all of that data to your level the place you’re simply going to reply these 4 questions. And which will require numerous thought. You would possibly must go to another crew members and give it some thought, which is, which is sweet.
It is best to put time and thought into these sorts of approaches and ensuring you’ve received the precise data up entrance about who you might be, who you’re focusing on, that type of factor. However on the finish, you get this implausible playbook or collection of playbooks that you just’re capable of make use of. In order that’s one of many variations between an AI assisted method and form of a extra conventional method.
What are among the variations that you just consider on the subject of branding and it comes to love time, value and effectiveness with its AI versus conventional?
[00:30:12] Ruheene Jaura: I actually like what you simply mentioned about you realize, having to know what frameworks you need to use to your use case versus not understanding. And I believe this ties into each, you realize, smaller enterprise homeowners who don’t actually know a lot about advertising or newer entrepreneurs, but additionally the extra skilled entrepreneurs as a result of as entrepreneurs, and I’ve been doing this once more for over 16 years at this level, however I’m You realize, I we’ve got over 60 frameworks.
I believe 70 frameworks at this level constructed into the app. Over 150 prompts constructed into the app, however that’s to not say that that’s an exhaustive listing, proper? These frameworks are evolving continuously. They’re rising. They’re morphing into totally different frameworks. It’s actually maintaining with what’s working at this time as a result of what labored two years in the past, 5 years in the past is probably not working at this time, or it could be.
And it’s actually being conscious of what’s working versus not working. And in order that’s among the heavy lifting that hey Levi takes off of you is it, you realize, you’re not on the road to continuously be maintaining with you realize, the most recent advertising technique or the most recent immediate method and all of that stuff.
And, you realize, I’m on this, I’m in just a few AI teams on Fb and one thing that I noticed when 4. 0 got here out after which once more, 2 months after it got here out, which was only a few weeks in the past, truly They’re continuously evolving their fashions, proper? And to get a little bit technical on you right here. They’re continuously making an attempt to avoid wasting folks cash, proper?
And they also will constantly not simply optimize their fashions, however they’ll attempt to pointed to cheaper variations of their fashions, which Is nice as a result of it’s saving you cash. However the half that sucks is that when you will have a immediate that’s working very well with one model, it might not translate. And normally 9 instances out of 10, truly it received’t translate.
After which, so folks will come on and be like, Hey, I’ve these prompts that had been working nice in Chat GPT. Has anybody else seen that they’re not working anymore? And so actually what you want is, you realize, you want this digital crew, until you will have a funds to rent an precise human crew to maintain up with not simply advertising frameworks, however immediate methods and all of this, proper.
Once you’re utilizing AI and, and even when you’ve got the funds to rent this large crew, they’re additionally utilizing instruments to maintain themselves simpler and extra environment friendly. So. When it comes to the playbooks that we had been speaking about, you realize, when you construct out your model playbook, after getting your whole product and provide playbooks let’s be trustworthy, I don’t learn about you, however in the event you’ve ever created a playbook I don’t know the way usually you truly use it or have a look at it.
All of us, all of us like create playbooks with the most effective intentions, proper? They’re, they’ve a lot good data, however truly going by means of it and getting your whole crew on board with, you realize, continuously taking a look at that and being conscious of what it has and any updates that you just make to it. That’s the place the problem is available in.
It’s very easy to make playbook. Nevertheless it’s actually laborious to a, hold these playbooks up to date after which be, have your whole crew and even your self. utterly conversant in that playbook the place it’s like that, proper? It comes out in all every bit of content material that you just create. And in order that’s additionally the half that heyLevi does for you.
It shops your whole playbooks. It’s simply accessible. You don’t should undergo an previous Chat GPT dialog to see the place you gave a context about your buyer avatar to attempt to change it. You possibly can merely simply edit it similar to you’ll in a Phrase doc, for instance. And it already has that context transferring ahead.
And every time it is advisable create any content material, you simply pull these playbooks in and it mechanically has all the context with out you having to remind it or tweak it on the spot.
[00:33:31] Mike Allton: That’s a very nice instance with The Social Media Hat and this podcast as a, as a solopreneur, proper? That is my facet hustle.
I I’m leaning on these paperwork to assist me. And I’m leaning on these processes to assist me execute sooner and keep on model and message and so forth. However that’s additionally considered one of my fears, you realize, with Agorapulse and different massive corporations that I’d work with, the place we do create all this nice data, whether or not it’s with AI or not, and we fear that it’s going to turn into shelfware.
Proper. A doc that’s simply placed on a shelf someplace and possibly they’ll have a look at it once more in 12 months. Like, Oh, wow. Yeah, we did all that again in 2023. Perhaps we must always do one thing once more with that. And so I really like that that’s in-built now. And that’s a part of the method as a result of I used to be going to comment earlier as implausible as it’s to have these personas and people playbooks developed.
That’s just the start, proper? The following step is you assist your reader. Yeah. Customers use that data in each step of the manner when it comes to constructing a advertising technique within the numerous items of content material and duplicate that they’re going to should create. However you talked about humanity a second in the past, and I needed to ask you about that, proper?
How can we be sure that humanity continues to be part of these processes and the way do you see that evolving as you realize, AI turns into increasingly prevalent as a part of branding and advertising?
[00:34:50] Ruheene Jaura: Yeah. I truly assume that AI is right here to not exchange human creativity. I actually assume it’s right here to assist us be higher and be extra inventive.
As a result of while you’re developing with something inventive, proper, whether or not you’re writing content material for your corporation, otherwise you’re making an attempt to put in writing a enterprise proposal, no matter it’s that you just’re doing, there’s a there’s a it’s a combination, proper? It’s a mixture of analysis, And understanding greatest practices, understanding your corporation’s positioning, what makes you particular.
And there’s the inventive a part of it which is the way you write all of that, the way you convey and talk all of that. And so while you use AI as a software to assist with extra of the logical elements, proper, which it’s nice at it can not mimic human emotion and human creativity simply but. However while you practice it in a manner the place it does 60 to 80 % of the be just right for you and then you definitely are available in together with your creativity, your particular sauce, if you’ll and add that to no matter AI is providing you with, that’s actually the half that, that makes the magic.
I’m not going to take a seat right here and lie that, you realize, it’s the AI that’s creating the magic for you. It’s simply, Let me put it this manner. I can both be like a activity supervisor and I can get numerous stuff performed. If I’ve a guidelines, I can spend in the future and simply undergo my whole activity listing. However I can’t be inventive on the identical time as a result of they’re utilizing two separate elements of my mind.
And so the place you are available in is the inventive a part of your mind must be relieved of all of the non inventive duties with the intention to be extra inventive. So as to you’ll be able to carry that particular sauce out in every bit of content material or writing that you just do
[00:36:25] Mike Allton: love that. That’s that’s a mirrored image of, you realize, one of many use circumstances I’ve talked about quite a bit on this present, which is the present itself.
I’ve received many podcasts with Agorapulse. I’ve received this podcast on the facet. I used to spend two hours researching and making ready for each single interview. And now that I’ve received a customized GPT and an assistant within the A. I to assist me as a showrunner. It’s 20 minutes as an alternative of two hours to arrange for every particular person episode, which frees me to search out extra company, spend extra time speaking to them, spend extra time exploring the tales and the experience and so forth.
In order that’s implausible. I’d love in the event you may share successful story of considered one of your prospects or companies that you just’ve labored with and share how they’ve considerably improved Their very own model presence utilizing AI instruments.
[00:37:12] Ruheene Jaura: Truly, I’d like to share the story of heyLevi itself. I imply, we we launched our first model of our app two years in the past.
Truly precisely two years in the past now it was October, 2022. And we had been referred to as iGen. We had a very totally different title, completely totally different model, actually no model. That was considered one of our, like, we’re simply going to construct a product and never give attention to the model a lot. And so for a yr we tried to promote that.
And we, we had an awesome, like, I’d say. pilot program. We actually had been simply in search of 10 folks to make use of it, give us suggestions. We truly ended up promoting 34 of these like what we had been calling pilot licenses, which had been actually low-cost. We ended up promoting 34 of these and 31 out of these 34 customers truly grew to become paying prospects into the fuller model of the product when, after we launched that.
In order that was nice, however we couldn’t get previous that. Individuals who would are available in and really use our product beloved it and they’d keep on. Nevertheless it was actually making an attempt to get new folks to strive it. And so we struggled with that for for a part of a yr. And it was solely in October 2023 now. So a yr in the past, we determined that we actually had been missing the, the model.
And so, You realize, that’s truly when heyLevi. heyLevi was only a content material era software initially. However I actually began to consider all of the issues that I’ve realized over my 16 years of expertise, considering I’ve not used any of that on this product. We had been simply taking a look at a ache level of content material creation on frameworks, and we simply form of in-built these frameworks and content material creation and made a promptless model of this of an app of an AI app.
However we weren’t actually doing it justice by actually it coming from a model technique from a core model technique. And in order that’s after we took a step again and I used to be like, okay, so me and my enterprise companions, we had been truly up until 3am this one night time making an attempt to give you concepts. We had been like, how about we do that?
How about we do this? And it was at 3am and I’m so embarrassed to even say this. Nevertheless it was at 3am once I realized like, We now have constructed all of those frameworks already into the app. So let’s have iGen on the time. That’s what it was referred to as, proper? So we had been like, let’s simply have iGen rebrand itself, proper?
Rebrand and reposition itself. And in order that’s what we did. Like we, we received nowhere that night time. We had some nice concepts, however we discovered flaws in all of them. And so the following morning I opened up the app and I simply had it rebrand itself. Reposition itself, give you a positioning technique for itself. And we adopted that whole technique to the T.
And inside that quarter, this was October, 2023. And by December, 2023, we had quadrupled our gross sales.
[00:39:42] Mike Allton: Wow. It’s humorous as a result of it’s virtually like a a web page out of the e book Menagerie the place it was October 15, 2023 at 4 a. m. When iGen grew to become self conscious and rebranded itself, say Levi,
however I adore it. That’s a implausible story. And to return to our earlier level of how essential it’s to have people within the loop. My final query to you is without doubt one of the ones that that Claude got here up with. And I all the time chortle when Claude desires me to ask this query as a result of a human wouldn’t ask it. Claude desires to know, trying forward, how do you envision AI additional reworking the panorama of name technique and advertising within the subsequent 5 10 years?
And the human in me laughs at that as a result of no person is aware of what’s occurring in AI in 5 10 years. We’re fortunate if we are able to predict 5 10 years. To 10 minutes, proper? I imply, issues are altering so quick on this explicit trade, however the, the, the gist of the query is implausible. I’d love to finish with you sharing what you assume is coming subsequent, whether or not it’s together with your mission or the trade general.
[00:40:49] Ruheene Jaura: I’ve been seeing this one factor about AI and I ponder if it’s nonetheless related. I really feel prefer it nonetheless is. And so I’m going to say it once more. However when AI was like nonetheless form of new a few yr, yr and a half in the past, there have been lots of people that had been very anti AI and there nonetheless are. And I get that. I get why.
However You realize, to me, I has all the time been just like the Web, proper? It’s model new. And when the Web got here out, by the best way, I’ve a information clipping someplace, which I’ve saved, which I believed was hilarious when the Web was a factor. I can’t bear in mind what yr this was now, someplace round 2000 or earlier than that.
I can’t bear in mind. Are you able to think about that we truly lived by means of a time when there was like no Web? Anyway, so when that, yeah, it was manner earlier than that. Anyway, every time that was, there’s a newspaper clipping that claims the Web is a fad.
And it’s not right here to remain. And it’s actually laborious to consider that as a result of it appears so foolish to have and say that out loud. However that is what folks believed. And so when folks began saying that AI is a fad to me, it simply jogged my memory of that. Like, it’s not a fad. It’s not good or dangerous. It simply is. And it’s how persons are going to dwell.
And nobody’s going to our subsequent era. My youngsters are usually not going to grasp how anyone lived with out it. Yeah, it’s gonna be like how we are able to’t think about that folks lived with out the Web sooner or later. It’s simply there, proper? However simply how the Web didn’t exchange anybody. It helped numerous us turn into simpler.
It helped us join with one another. That’s actually what will do as effectively. proper? It’s simply taking it to a different stage. And so once I mentioned earlier that A. I. Is right here to switch extra of the logical duties for you, nevertheless it’s not right here to switch your inventive facet, proper? We nonetheless want you to have that creativity, that particular sauce, the life expertise that you’ve.
We nonetheless want you to carry that to the desk as a result of that’s what’s gonna make what A. I. Is providing you with truly resonate together with your prospects. They don’t need to see content material from you that they might have simply as simply additionally generated in Claude or Chat GPT. They need to see you, they need to see how one can relate to them as human beings.
And so once I consider the place AI goes, in fact, such as you mentioned, there’s no approach to look into the longer term and AI is altering each single month at this level. However I believe it’s actually come going to come back right down to the best way you’re utilizing it. When you’re making an attempt, in the event you’re utilizing it and also you’re making an attempt to learn to immediate it since you’re apprehensive that you just’re going to get turn into out of date in the event you don’t use it which will or is probably not true relying on what your corporation is, proper?
When you’re making an attempt to turn into a immediate engineer and provides these providers or provide these providers to different enterprise homeowners, that’s nice. Completely. Learn to immediate it. However when you’ve got a non immediate kind of enterprise or provide a service, what you need to take into consideration is how will you make that higher by utilizing the precise AI instruments which are going that can assist you nonetheless get to that finish aim and nonetheless show you how to join together with your prospects with out like changing you, if that is smart.
So it’s actually about the way it’s going to make, relying on how you utilize it, it’s going that can assist you be extra inventive and really win on the recreation of enterprise, if you’ll.
[00:43:50] Mike Allton: Oh, one hundred percent agree. I I’ve usually talked about how we’re within the fourth industrial revolution. In truth, I did a complete solo episode that I’ll hyperlink to under about how AI is the fourth industrial revolution, how that compares to the earlier three industrial revolutions.
And the one cautionary story that I need to share that’s a little bit little bit of a pushback is that, you realize, when. Within the 1800s, earlier than we had electrical energy, cities would use fuel lamps on the streets to mild folks’s manner, and the cities would make use of fuel lamp lighters to stroll round at nightfall every night and lightweight these lamps.
And when electrical energy changed fuel lamps. These fuel lamps, these jobs had been eradicated. These folks needed to discover and reskill other forms of jobs. And that could be a potentiality for each industrial revolution. There’s definitely a potentiality for folks’s jobs to get replaced, much less jobs to be wanted, even when it’s the identical position, resulting from A. I. So one thing to essentially take into consideration to your level is, you realize, ensuring that you just’re taking a look at how one can carry A. I. Into your roles each single day and upscale what you’re doing and pivot if it is advisable. However Ruheene, you’ve been completely wonderful. This has been such a enjoyable interview and such a deep dive into not simply A. I. However like I mentioned earlier than, simply actually, actually sensible method to marking technique for many who need to be taught extra. They need to join with you. The place can they go?
[00:45:17] Ruheene Jaura: You’ll find me on Fb, Ruheene R U H E E N E. Or you’ll be able to attain out on the heylevi. ai web site as effectively. We now have a little bit chat widget that comes straight to me.
So yeah, both manner, heylevi. ai might be the simplest approach to go.
[00:45:32] Mike Allton: Terrific. Thanks a lot, Ruheene. Thanks all of you for listening. We’ll have all of the sources and hyperlinks that we talked about at this time within the present notes under. And only one fast reminder, if that is form of your first foray into AI for advertising particularly, I’ve received a free useful resource linked under within the present notes referred to as the AI Advertising and marketing Primer that can show you how to perceive what are the totally different language fashions? How can AI be used? Lots of the lingo and the jargon that you just could be listening to on this present and different sources show you how to get that leg up that it is advisable keep related in your position from at this time going ahead. That’s all we’ve received for at this time, pals. Thanks a lot. And welcome to the grid.
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